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		<title>By: Dianne de Guzman - Annenberg School of Journalism</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2007/07/23/pr-and-the-gray-zone/#comment-1921</link>
		<dc:creator>Dianne de Guzman - Annenberg School of Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;To Yelp or Not to Yelp...&lt;/strong&gt;

A blog by name of Occam's RazR, written by blogger Ike Piggot, created the Venn diagram at right. Although the article is more about PR and how it easily slides into new territory when its goals overlap, my main concern is with the green "transparent...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>To Yelp or Not to Yelp&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>A blog by name of Occam&#8217;s RazR, written by blogger Ike Piggot, created the Venn diagram at right. Although the article is more about PR and how it easily slides into new territory when its goals overlap, my main concern is with the green &#8220;transparent&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RazRchive &#187; Occam&#8217;s Hors D&#8217; Oeuvres</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2007/07/23/pr-and-the-gray-zone/#comment-984</link>
		<dc:creator>RazRchive &#187; Occam&#8217;s Hors D&#8217; Oeuvres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] digestible morsel - and then it become the icon for Occam&#8217;s RazR. I am particularly proud of PR and the Gray Zone which almost-but-didn&#8217;t-quite get noticed, and the Sweet Spot of Influence, which got no [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] digestible morsel - and then it become the icon for Occam&#8217;s RazR. I am particularly proud of PR and the Gray Zone which almost-but-didn&#8217;t-quite get noticed, and the Sweet Spot of Influence, which got no [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Astroturfing on the Dark Side of the Moon &#187; The Buzz Bin</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2007/07/23/pr-and-the-gray-zone/#comment-835</link>
		<dc:creator>Astroturfing on the Dark Side of the Moon &#187; The Buzz Bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] challenged by the overwhelming new wave of corporate social media initiatives. Ike Piggot wrote an excellent discussion of this fine line, and provided an interesting graph which demonstrates the blurred world of corporate social media. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] challenged by the overwhelming new wave of corporate social media initiatives. Ike Piggot wrote an excellent discussion of this fine line, and provided an interesting graph which demonstrates the blurred world of corporate social media. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Importance of Relationships &#187; The Buzz Bin</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2007/07/23/pr-and-the-gray-zone/#comment-833</link>
		<dc:creator>The Importance of Relationships &#187; The Buzz Bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of your relationships. The duty to my client. Nurturing those relationships are essential, as&#160;Eric Eggertson&#160; comments on Ike Pigott&#8217;s blog &#8216;good pr is more focused on relationship [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of your relationships. The duty to my client. Nurturing those relationships are essential, as&nbsp;Eric Eggertson&nbsp; comments on Ike Pigott&#8217;s blog &#8216;good pr is more focused on relationship [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2007/07/23/pr-and-the-gray-zone/#comment-826</link>
		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Sommermeyer</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2007/07/23/pr-and-the-gray-zone/#comment-824</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Sommermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you work as a resource you will be welcomed. I think the mob problem occurs when you try and grab attention: PR pros  who try and become the face or grab headlines with their blogs. If you remain within the conversation as a participant, you may still remain within the mob, but it's a crapshoot. I think we may never reach the 'gray zone' 100% of the time, but it's fun trying. Perhaps those lucky enough to do that will share their insights. BTW, how do I add a photo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:80px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://WORDYMOUTH.com'><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/ca6094b709b5017433c6c14fe3429b9c?s=80&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Foccamsrazr.com%2Fwp-content%2Fgravatars%2Fian%2520icon80.png&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-80' height='80' width='80' /></a></span>If you work as a resource you will be welcomed. I think the mob problem occurs when you try and grab attention: PR pros  who try and become the face or grab headlines with their blogs. If you remain within the conversation as a participant, you may still remain within the mob, but it&#8217;s a crapshoot. I think we may never reach the &#8216;gray zone&#8217; 100% of the time, but it&#8217;s fun trying. Perhaps those lucky enough to do that will share their insights. BTW, how do I add a photo?</p>
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		<title>By: Common Sense PR</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2007/07/23/pr-and-the-gray-zone/#comment-823</link>
		<dc:creator>Common Sense PR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 06:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Finding the Right Role for PR in Social Media...&lt;/strong&gt;

There&#8217;s a reason why the top publications public relations people aren&#8217;t household names. Their job is to make things happen, not to make the news.
Does that apply on blogs and podcasts, too? Are we supposed to be facilitators, or movers an...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Finding the Right Role for PR in Social Media&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason why the top publications public relations people aren&#8217;t household names. Their job is to make things happen, not to make the news.<br />
Does that apply on blogs and podcasts, too? Are we supposed to be facilitators, or movers an&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2007/07/23/pr-and-the-gray-zone/#comment-812</link>
		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kami - your point is duly noted.  There always have been ethical PR people who do things the right way, and there are those who valid the very stereoytype that is our current albatross.

Your idea about being "a resource instead of a mouthpiece" actually fits within my graph.  Your wanting to be a resource connecting the client with its clientèle fits too.  I think you'll see the best cases of this at work within the Cyan Zone, where the customer evangelist niche resides.

I still hold to the original point, which is conversation works one-to-one - but we're failing to account for the differences in behavior when that "one" is part of a group or a community.  Individuals use a different form of reasoning from the safety and security of their mobs - and they are quick to distrust the outsider, particularly one who wants to sell them something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:80px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://occamsrazr.com'><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/83afda693a65f92a58f56b33a959332c?s=80&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Foccamsrazr.com%2Fwp-content%2Fgravatars%2Fian%2520icon80.png&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-80' height='80' width='80' /></a></span>Kami - your point is duly noted.  There always have been ethical PR people who do things the right way, and there are those who valid the very stereoytype that is our current albatross.</p>
<p>Your idea about being &#8220;a resource instead of a mouthpiece&#8221; actually fits within my graph.  Your wanting to be a resource connecting the client with its clientèle fits too.  I think you&#8217;ll see the best cases of this at work within the Cyan Zone, where the customer evangelist niche resides.</p>
<p>I still hold to the original point, which is conversation works one-to-one - but we&#8217;re failing to account for the differences in behavior when that &#8220;one&#8221; is part of a group or a community.  Individuals use a different form of reasoning from the safety and security of their mobs - and they are quick to distrust the outsider, particularly one who wants to sell them something.</p>
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		<title>By: Kami Huyse</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2007/07/23/pr-and-the-gray-zone/#comment-811</link>
		<dc:creator>Kami Huyse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ike;  Just came by and read this.  As a PR advocate, I have always seen myself as a resource, versus a mouthpiece.  I approach social media in the same way, putting out resources for content creators and communities to use as they please.  The trouble starts when you try to spin this, but I have always been well received when offering resources. 

As for the Second Life rejection of PR, I want to correct your perception a bit.  PRs were not rejected out of hand, only ones that made spurious claims (we were the first to XYZ) and didn't apologize for those claims.  For instance, as an avowed PR person, I was always welcome in SL.  So, it was more of an individual problem.  Same goes for Wikipedia, it was the actions of one person that caused the total backlash. I have found that many Wikipedians were happy to work with me on my concerns.

In the end, groupthink is always a concern, not just for PRs, but also in other contexts, firememes for example that spread discontent for a particular person or company.  I hardly think that it is reserved just for PR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:80px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://overtonecomm.blogspot.com/'><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/e13dc1d4e75b9bacc793a147465b9e91?s=80&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Foccamsrazr.com%2Fwp-content%2Fgravatars%2Fian%2520icon80.png&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-80' height='80' width='80' /></a></span>Ike;  Just came by and read this.  As a PR advocate, I have always seen myself as a resource, versus a mouthpiece.  I approach social media in the same way, putting out resources for content creators and communities to use as they please.  The trouble starts when you try to spin this, but I have always been well received when offering resources. </p>
<p>As for the Second Life rejection of PR, I want to correct your perception a bit.  PRs were not rejected out of hand, only ones that made spurious claims (we were the first to XYZ) and didn&#8217;t apologize for those claims.  For instance, as an avowed PR person, I was always welcome in SL.  So, it was more of an individual problem.  Same goes for Wikipedia, it was the actions of one person that caused the total backlash. I have found that many Wikipedians were happy to work with me on my concerns.</p>
<p>In the end, groupthink is always a concern, not just for PRs, but also in other contexts, firememes for example that spread discontent for a particular person or company.  I hardly think that it is reserved just for PR.</p>
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		<title>By: sabu mangalasserril</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2007/07/23/pr-and-the-gray-zone/#comment-809</link>
		<dc:creator>sabu mangalasserril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post and cool insights.. as an advertising evangelist i found an unseen or unacknowledged wisdom here..thanks !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:80px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://www.adformula.blogspot.com'><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/7ded8eac93abdb494c135441f8068a86?s=80&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Foccamsrazr.com%2Fwp-content%2Fgravatars%2Fian%2520icon80.png&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-80' height='80' width='80' /></a></span>great post and cool insights.. as an advertising evangelist i found an unseen or unacknowledged wisdom here..thanks !!!</p>
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		<title>By: media mindshare: on media, technology &#38; public relations links for 2007-07-25 &#171;</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2007/07/23/pr-and-the-gray-zone/#comment-807</link>
		<dc:creator>media mindshare: on media, technology &#38; public relations links for 2007-07-25 &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] PR and the Gray Zone: Ike Piggot at Occam&#8217;s RazR What do PR pros do when the communities they want to engage see their incursions as hostile? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Buzz Bin &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Goodness Gracious, Great Blogs of Fire!</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2007/07/23/pr-and-the-gray-zone/#comment-805</link>
		<dc:creator>The Buzz Bin &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Goodness Gracious, Great Blogs of Fire!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to labels such as astroturfing and paid-for reviewer.&#160; Occam&#8217;s Razr blogger Ike Pigott discusses the very, very thin ice pros must traverse in social media [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2007/07/23/pr-and-the-gray-zone/#comment-804</link>
		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric - I totally agree... the best internal advocate is usually NOT the "face."

The larger issue is how does "PR" stand on all three pillars it holds so dear?  Communities are rejecting PR reflexively with no opportunity to demonstrate good citizenship.

At some point, we may have to recognize that certain groups are genetically allergic to the idea of being spun or manipulated.  If "PR" can't quantify and define those specific indicators and attributes, then it is less science, more alchemy, and far less convincing about the value of its metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:80px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://occamsrazr.com'><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/83afda693a65f92a58f56b33a959332c?s=80&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Foccamsrazr.com%2Fwp-content%2Fgravatars%2Fian%2520icon80.png&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-80' height='80' width='80' /></a></span>Eric - I totally agree&#8230; the best internal advocate is usually NOT the &#8220;face.&#8221;</p>
<p>The larger issue is how does &#8220;PR&#8221; stand on all three pillars it holds so dear?  Communities are rejecting PR reflexively with no opportunity to demonstrate good citizenship.</p>
<p>At some point, we may have to recognize that certain groups are genetically allergic to the idea of being spun or manipulated.  If &#8220;PR&#8221; can&#8217;t quantify and define those specific indicators and attributes, then it is less science, more alchemy, and far less convincing about the value of its metrics.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Eggertson</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2007/07/23/pr-and-the-gray-zone/#comment-803</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Eggertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good PR is an extension of what the company is trying to do, but more focused on relationship building.  Some of the best PR is practised by others in the organization, perhaps with training, planning and support by a PR person.  

If PR folks don't fit into a particular social media milieu, maybe they can equip others who can perform that role as a more natural part of their job.

Just because  public relations person CAN do something, doesn't mean they're the right one for that particular function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:80px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://commonsensepr.com'><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/2030ecd403c772e4ad7e471e4e689e57?s=80&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Foccamsrazr.com%2Fwp-content%2Fgravatars%2Fian%2520icon80.png&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-80' height='80' width='80' /></a></span>Good PR is an extension of what the company is trying to do, but more focused on relationship building.  Some of the best PR is practised by others in the organization, perhaps with training, planning and support by a PR person.  </p>
<p>If PR folks don&#8217;t fit into a particular social media milieu, maybe they can equip others who can perform that role as a more natural part of their job.</p>
<p>Just because  public relations person CAN do something, doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re the right one for that particular function.</p>
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		<title>By: Accentuate the Positive, 2.0 &#187; AtP2: New post on PR</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2007/07/23/pr-and-the-gray-zone/#comment-801</link>
		<dc:creator>Accentuate the Positive, 2.0 &#187; AtP2: New post on PR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post on Public Relations over at Occam&#8217;s RazR. It&#8217;s the kind of thinking I used to do over here, but it&#8217;s over there. Go get [...]</description>
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