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		<title>By: Allan Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2008/08/18/statistics-and-context/comment-page-1/#comment-1859</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spin, crap and diversion. Boy, you are the master... 

No, Denmark is not the &quot;median&quot; of Europe, but it&#039;s close. A lot closer to the &quot;median&quot; of Europe than Alabama will ever be the median of the US.

But.. maybe you have other countries in mind? You brought up Denmark, but maybe you meant.. Sweden? Germany? The Netherlands? the UK?

&quot;There will always be a bottom quintile...&quot; Well, you never brought up &quot;quintiles&quot; before, did you? What do quintiles mean when you compare apples and oranges? You indicated that America&#039;s bottom quintile has a better chance than Europe&#039;s of reaching aflluence... evidence? Love to see that. 

And then you spin off to an article that has nothing to do with your original post.

Sloppy going for a guy railing against lies, damned lies and statistics.

Allan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spin, crap and diversion. Boy, you are the master&#8230; </p>
<p>No, Denmark is not the &#8220;median&#8221; of Europe, but it&#8217;s close. A lot closer to the &#8220;median&#8221; of Europe than Alabama will ever be the median of the US.</p>
<p>But.. maybe you have other countries in mind? You brought up Denmark, but maybe you meant.. Sweden? Germany? The Netherlands? the UK?</p>
<p>&#8220;There will always be a bottom quintile&#8230;&#8221; Well, you never brought up &#8220;quintiles&#8221; before, did you? What do quintiles mean when you compare apples and oranges? You indicated that America&#8217;s bottom quintile has a better chance than Europe&#8217;s of reaching aflluence&#8230; evidence? Love to see that. </p>
<p>And then you spin off to an article that has nothing to do with your original post.</p>
<p>Sloppy going for a guy railing against lies, damned lies and statistics.</p>
<p>Allan</p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2008/08/18/statistics-and-context/comment-page-1/#comment-1858</link>
		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allan, there are few things rotten in Denmark, but Denmark is not indicative of the median in Europe.

And bear in mind the relative nature of these statistics.  There will always be a bottom quintile, even if those living there today have it much better than their middle-class ancestors.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.american.com/archive/2008/july-august-magazine-contents/how-are-we-doing&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is a wider breakdown of how U.S. standard of living has changed in the last couple of generations.  Air conditioners are but a single example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allan, there are few things rotten in Denmark, but Denmark is not indicative of the median in Europe.</p>
<p>And bear in mind the relative nature of these statistics.  There will always be a bottom quintile, even if those living there today have it much better than their middle-class ancestors.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.american.com/archive/2008/july-august-magazine-contents/how-are-we-doing" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is a wider breakdown of how U.S. standard of living has changed in the last couple of generations.  Air conditioners are but a single example.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2008/08/18/statistics-and-context/comment-page-1/#comment-1857</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure how much you know about Europe, Ike. But your critical thinking is off the rails if you believe impovershed US children have the same standard of living as &quot;average&quot; European kids.

First, airconditioning is hardly a standard of living indicator -- most Europeans don&#039;t need aircon, or want it. One reason &quot;sick building&quot; syndrome is largely unknown.

Second, a US child living in poverty is probably living largely on processed foods, high-fructose corn syrup. bleached white bread, etc -- and you know this, if you glance at the shopping carts in poorer parts of Birmingham, I am sure.  That is NOT the case here in Europe, I assure you -- and the obesity levels prove it.

Third, once you get past a certain amount, housing size is irrelevant. Housing standards, though, are very important to childhood health, and here I can say the poorest European housing is streets ahead (by law) of the housing of the poor in the States. 

Finally, the poor child in Denmark is far more likely to become middle-class or more than the poor child in the US. The education is far better and more accessible, and the health care and dental care doesn&#039;t depend on the ability of the parent to pay. 

So while the Parade article may infuriate you, try not to let your irritation lead you into the very trap you are bemoaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure how much you know about Europe, Ike. But your critical thinking is off the rails if you believe impovershed US children have the same standard of living as &#8220;average&#8221; European kids.</p>
<p>First, airconditioning is hardly a standard of living indicator &#8212; most Europeans don&#8217;t need aircon, or want it. One reason &#8220;sick building&#8221; syndrome is largely unknown.</p>
<p>Second, a US child living in poverty is probably living largely on processed foods, high-fructose corn syrup. bleached white bread, etc &#8212; and you know this, if you glance at the shopping carts in poorer parts of Birmingham, I am sure.  That is NOT the case here in Europe, I assure you &#8212; and the obesity levels prove it.</p>
<p>Third, once you get past a certain amount, housing size is irrelevant. Housing standards, though, are very important to childhood health, and here I can say the poorest European housing is streets ahead (by law) of the housing of the poor in the States. </p>
<p>Finally, the poor child in Denmark is far more likely to become middle-class or more than the poor child in the US. The education is far better and more accessible, and the health care and dental care doesn&#8217;t depend on the ability of the parent to pay. </p>
<p>So while the Parade article may infuriate you, try not to let your irritation lead you into the very trap you are bemoaning.</p>
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		<title>By: cooper</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2008/08/18/statistics-and-context/comment-page-1/#comment-1851</link>
		<dc:creator>cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would alarm me as well but even though that think tank is a well known progressive tank, the report those quotes came from(&quot;Wealth Mobility
and Volatility
in Black and White&quot;), when viewed in it&#039;s entirety is not quite as silly or unresearched as when it is taken out of context and placed in &quot;Parade&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would alarm me as well but even though that think tank is a well known progressive tank, the report those quotes came from(&#8220;Wealth Mobility<br />
and Volatility<br />
in Black and White&#8221;), when viewed in it&#8217;s entirety is not quite as silly or unresearched as when it is taken out of context and placed in &#8220;Parade&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lally</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2008/08/18/statistics-and-context/comment-page-1/#comment-1850</link>
		<dc:creator>Lally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Referring to this: &quot;As it happens, a child born “poor” in the U.S. has a greater chance of moving into the top income levels than in any other country. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Referring to this: &#8220;As it happens, a child born “poor” in the U.S. has a greater chance of moving into the top income levels than in any other country. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Lally</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2008/08/18/statistics-and-context/comment-page-1/#comment-1849</link>
		<dc:creator>Lally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool POV post. Do you have a footnote for this?



Could be helpful.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool POV post. Do you have a footnote for this?</p>
<p>Could be helpful.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Daniel Mezei</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2008/08/18/statistics-and-context/comment-page-1/#comment-1847</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Daniel Mezei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what I liken to a classic Commie ploy which I&#039;m quite used to from living here in the former Czechoslovakia. To be sure, much of the time it happens due to resource shortages -- i.e. cub journalists on low-pay grades working for the major dailies and rags who don&#039;t bother checking sources and/or who cherry-pick feeds from the major wire services (egs. CTK/Czech News Agency, Thompson Reuters, AFP, AP, etc).

As for the Czech mindset ((and the post-Communist one, more generally), the citizenry without full-time access to the net or due to sheer laziness gobble up this claptrap as if it&#039;s the Gospel itself.

I know what you mean, and way to parse this one, brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what I liken to a classic Commie ploy which I&#8217;m quite used to from living here in the former Czechoslovakia. To be sure, much of the time it happens due to resource shortages &#8212; i.e. cub journalists on low-pay grades working for the major dailies and rags who don&#8217;t bother checking sources and/or who cherry-pick feeds from the major wire services (egs. CTK/Czech News Agency, Thompson Reuters, AFP, AP, etc).</p>
<p>As for the Czech mindset ((and the post-Communist one, more generally), the citizenry without full-time access to the net or due to sheer laziness gobble up this claptrap as if it&#8217;s the Gospel itself.</p>
<p>I know what you mean, and way to parse this one, brother.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Vargas</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2008/08/18/statistics-and-context/comment-page-1/#comment-1845</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Vargas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parade always has something that gets me riled up...you are correct, but unfortunately, people bask in ignorance and believe what they are fed...no questions asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parade always has something that gets me riled up&#8230;you are correct, but unfortunately, people bask in ignorance and believe what they are fed&#8230;no questions asked.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Keliher</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2008/08/18/statistics-and-context/comment-page-1/#comment-1844</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Keliher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And...it still didn&#039;t work. I quit. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And&#8230;it still didn&#8217;t work. I quit. <img src='http://occamsrazr.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mike Keliher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Keliher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the site doesn&#039;t like HTML in comments. I tried a geeky little joke, which is replicated below with some additional spacing that should allow it to display this time. My previous comment was:

 Ike 

The point is, great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the site doesn&#8217;t like HTML in comments. I tried a geeky little joke, which is replicated below with some additional spacing that should allow it to display this time. My previous comment was:</p>
<p> Ike </p>
<p>The point is, great post.</p>
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