Imported Turf

While traditional media outlets claim to “embrace the conversation,” are they still holding it at arm’s length? Is it enough to host comments and invite input online, without the due diligence to see if others are manipulating the agenda?

A few days ago, I wrote about what appeared to be a fairly obvious case of Astroturfing – the practice of creating fake “grass roots” in order to make it seem like public opinion was different than reality. One of my biggest clues was the sheer volume of comments posted between the moment the story went live at 5 a.m., and the time I read them (dozens of them) at 6:15 a.m.

If newspapers were a little more sophisticated about this sort of thing, they might check their IP logs and see the source of all that recent traffic — most of which is not washed through any proxy, and does give decent geographic information.

For example, let me show you the sort of data one can mine if they use the right tools:

The two images you see to the right are screen captures from my Sitemeter administration page. They show two separate visits to Occam’s RazR, both time and date stamped.

As you can see, both of these visits came from Boca Raton, Florida, and the visits overlap in time. Curiously, you can see from the out-click information that both of them left comments. They also come from different browsers, which is a nifty little way to be logged onto the same site concurrently from different profiles.

As it happens, those comments correlate in time to a pair of comments left here, by people purporting to be “5 Points Joe” and “Garlic Rolls,” two screen names you see used in the AL.com comment threads about Bingo. “Garlic Rolls” is one of the many commenters who is firmly for a vote of the people and is pro-gambling, while “5 Points Joe” is a little more skeptical, and is often accused of being a “Sock Puppet” handle for Pulitzer Prize-winning editorial page editor Joey Kennedy. (That accusation is laughable on several counts, but I digress.)

Here is the screen shot of my WordPress comment administration panel, verifying the IP addresses of the comments. I took the liberty of blurring out the email addresses used by those who posted, for reasons I will get to later.

Since the panel shows newest comments at the top, you can see that the “5 Points Joe” comment, left at 6:27pm, came first. I seriously doubt this is from the real 5PointsJoe, because a quick look at his comment history shows him engaged on a number of issues not related to gambling in Alabama. Why would a paid lobbyist based in Boca Raton be so involved in flood warnings at schools, police trials, and whether George Barber is a good guy for offering free land downtown for business development.

Brad (claiming to be Garlic Rolls), on the other hand, has only posted in bingo-related threads. And in the comment, Garlic claims to be on unemployment in the state of Alabama, while posting from Boca Raton. I would think that someone whose lamenting the loss of his/her minimum wage job would be staying someplace cheaper than Boca Raton while cashing those Alabama state unemployment checks.

But hey, I’ve been wrong before.

I’m not a betting man, but here’s where I would put the smart money:

  • Both comments were left by the same person.
  • Neither email address shows up in searches.
  • Wanting to throw me off the trail, the Phony Joe was left first, so the Garlic Rolls could respond.

The entire thing reeks of underhanded manipulation. And it parallels a more fundamental question raised by the real Joey Kennedy of the Birmingham News, about transparency and our right to know who is paying for all the issue advertising.

Round-Up the Turf Merchants

If I were a reporter, I’d be wanting to chase down some pertinent data. A couple of years ago, this same newspaper won a Pulitzer Prize for investigating corruption in Alabama’s two-year college system, and that entire series of stories started with a request for a raw data dump. Brett Blackledge asked for the raw records, and started stitching together the tendrils until the narrative came into focus. But I’m not so certain that will be as easy to accomplish here, because most newspaper web sites are run as completely different divisions. I do know that AL.com is run out-of-state, and there is likely not decent access to the raw information that could establish patterns of astroturfing.

What about privacy? The News doesn’t publish letters sent anonymously, so I don’t buy the precedent that this is somehow invasive.

I love my lawn. It is good turf. But some turf is wrong, and deserves to be terminated.

So, who wants to do a little digging into firms that handle political campaigns and public relations efforts out of Boca Raton?

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  1. Excellent insights and work, Ike. This astroturf crap is starting to get out of hand.

  2. Anyone know anything about More Visibility? They are based in Boca Raton. http://www.morevisibility.com/

    • Kris

      I am not familiar with the work of that firm, but my gut tells me no. I would think (like Amy) that a firm of that type would have a greater degree of sophistication about such matters.

      This is likely the work of a political hack at his home on a Saturday night — one who knows politics but doesn’t grasp the nuance of online as much as he thinks he does.

  3. Nice work, Sherlock. I’m actually pretty surprised that a sophisticated (?) lobbying firm in Boca wouldn’t realize how easy it is for site admins to determine turfed comments are coming from the same IP address. Particularly in light of the recent high-profile case with comments left on the Cleveland Plain-Dealer’s site.

  4. entropy aka physician says:

    ike you’ve got way too much blog time on your hands! Having said that, thank you for the effort you put in your pieces! btw I doubt the original site will ever do anything about it, they feed of comments and “apparent” uniques whether they are one person or not – I mean it is in their best interest to monitor this stuff to know their real readership but they will probably always let the comments slide/show even if they “suspect” they are all from one entity (unless someone forces them with absolute proof, then it’s just embarrassing for them; and to be honest for practical purposes you probably already got them there with this post)

    • @Entropy –

      I don’t think that’s really the case. When the Comments become so onerous and spammy, they don’t help anyone.

      I’ve spoken with the editorial page editor about this, and as you’d expect he’s not very happy with the idea that an entity is could use his paper’s platform in a shady manner.

  5. Kyle Whitmire says:

    To expand on what Amy posted, the judge who had her pseudonym unmasked by the Plain Dealer just slapped the paper with a $50 million lawsuit. While I believe the PD was right to expose her, newspapers are not likely to leave themselves so vulnerable to lawsuits in the future. Curiously, the PD is another member paper in the Newshouse/Advance chain and uses the same cms and probably same hosting as al.com.

  6. 5pointsJoe @ al.com says:

    This is the real 5pointsJoe from al.com that is called Joey Kennedy all the time.

    Thanks for looking into this issue and you’ve only confirmed what I have known instinctively since the flood of “pro-bingo” posts began at al.com.

    I don’t have anything to add and really just wanted to post so you would have my actual information to compare to anyone impersonating me.  I am currently on one of my home computers (the main computer I use at home) and using my home internet account.

    I realize proving that takes more than just an IP address, so — If you check with the real Joey Kennedy and ask him about our brief email correspondence just tell him I said “Off the Web.”

  7. Mark W Schaefer says:

    Fantastic post and insights, Ike. Now, we need to automate this detective work to pick out the Astro-turfers for those of us who are not as smart as you  : )

  8. Ike,

    Garlic Rolls is a former employee of Country Crossing who is forced to live with his retired parents in Boca Raton. He is out of work due to the illegal actions of Governor Riley as he closed down legal bingo operations. I find it interesting that a pulitzer prized winning journalist would take his stories from a blogger without doing any real investigative work. Furthermore, if anyone has any questions regarding the passion of the former employees, please visit the following links or the hundreds just like it. The rallys were evidence enough that real people are very upset about losing their jobs.

    http://www.al.com/opinion/independent/rmartin.ssf?/base/columnists/126781290536540.xml&coll=4
    http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article/20100223/news/100229942

    The bigger question is why certain poiticians would deny the people the right to vote on what has become such a hot issue. Its clear that 75% of the people favor the right to vote on this issue. Its also interesting  to see who is behind the bloggers that vehemently voice their opinion on why the people should NOT have the right to vote and their motives behind it.

    As far as Brad’s 5 Points parody, he did this to satirically mock someone that he clashes with constantly on the blogs on al.com. All out of work Country Crossing employees are furious about not being able to go back to work.

    • Billy, thanks for the comment.

      You would have to admit that Brad’s little joke had exactly the opposite effect intended.

      And how is it exactly that he is able to draw unemployment in Alabama from south Florida?

      I have no dog in the hunt when it comes to this business, but it’s clear there are many legal questions about what is and is not permissible. It’s also clear that each side – yours included – seems to only want to listen to judges and law enforcement officers that back their side.

      What is not clear to me is your assertion that 75% of the people want the right to vote on it, up or down. Are you certain that the majority of those would vote for gambling? Could it be there is a large contingent of people who want it defeated y referendum, so as to eliminate the piecemeal approach we’ve had in the judicial system?

      Now, as to your characterization of me, as a “blogger.”

      I am a former reporter, with an Emmy and several state Associated Press awards. I also have – as a blogger – access to certain tools that the people at the newspaper do not have access to, regarding the communities that come in to comment. My reason for doing this story is to advance an issue, regarding the importance of proper guidelines for outlets wishing to allow comments. During the course of my coverage on this issue, we’ve learned that most newspapers do not have access to the very IP logs that would allow them to fish out the phonies.

      You still haven’t explained to me how it is that THIRTY out-of-work casino workers would have posted comments using the same main talking points within the first 80 minutes of an article posted online at 5 a.m.

      And you do owe me an explanation as to your location. You know who I am, and I would very much like to know a little about why you are posting from where you are.

  9. Ike,
     I dont know why the posting pattern occured the way it had, but i can assure you that the employees and supporters are mad just as any Alabama citizen would be if they lost their job. I am sure you would not want to see thousands suddenly put out of work. I am sure there are people from both sides of any issue doing some sort of gamesmanship and my point is that we have a base for being upset, what about the other side? I do agree that many people who want the right to vote do not support gambling, but thats another reason to let the people vote. In this day and age with the economy, our state is broke and we need every resource we can to help our citizens. Do you not remember Riley platforming to let the people vote for the billion dollar tax raise and not bingo? Every day 35,000 Alabama citizens cross the line to Mississippi to gamble, how much tax revenue is leaving with them? Also, I am positive that most citizens DO NOT want to give a tax free monopoly to the Poarch Creek Indians. This is what will take place if our legislatures do not step in. I will tell you that once an article is posted, word does spread since lives are on the line. In this day and age it wouldnt be hard to have any article sent to thousands of people quicker than it took me to write this response. As for my location, I furnished you with my accurate email, feel free to contact me to discuss this bingo legislation or any other topic you feel my opinion can be important. I would like to know why any person would want to deny the people the right to vote, and if you there motives behind it.

  10. ike you’ve got way too much blog time on your hands! Having said that, thank you for the effort you put in your pieces! btw I doubt the original site will ever do anything about it, they feed of comments and “apparent” uniques whether they are one person or not – I mean it is in their best interest to monitor this stuff to know their real readership but they will probably always let the comments slide/show even if they “suspect” they are all from one entity (unless someone forces them with absolute proof, then it’s just embarrassing for them; and to be honest for practical purposes you probably already got them there with this post)

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